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Galinaros: slight rearrangement of elements

2010-07-07T19:47:59Z

slight rearrangement of elements

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	==Problems==		==Problems==
	~~Example~~ of problems with Romanization.		Featured below are examples of problems with Romanization:
	*The "sh" sound is never Romanized properly. The [[자모\|jamo]] [[ㅅ]] becomes an "sh" sound instead of an /s/ sound when followed by the following vowels: [[ㅣ]], [[ㅠ]], [[ㅛ]], [[ㅑ]], and [[ㅕ]]. These cases are ignored in all systems of Korean Romanization. For example, the word 신도림 (the first syllable should be pronounced like shin) is Romanized as 'Sindorim' instead of 'Shindorim.'		*The "sh" sound is never Romanized properly. The [[자모\|jamo]] [[ㅅ]] becomes an "sh" sound instead of an /s/ sound when followed by the following vowels: [[ㅣ]], [[ㅠ]], [[ㅛ]], [[ㅑ]], and [[ㅕ]]. These cases are ignored in all systems of Korean Romanization. For example, the word 신도림 (the first syllable should be pronounced like shin) is Romanized as 'Sindorim' instead of 'Shindorim.'
	<!--- insert a pic of the Romanization-->		<!--- insert a pic of the Romanization-->
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	*make a note of the official Romanization South Korea uses		*make a note of the official Romanization South Korea uses

	== Resources ==		== See Also ==

			* [[Korean_names#Romanization \| Romanization with Korean names]]

			=== Resources ===

	* [[wikipedia:Korean_romanization\|Wikipedia on Korean Romanization]]		* [[wikipedia:Korean_romanization\|Wikipedia on Korean Romanization]]

	== Opinions ==		=== Opinions ===

	* [http://www.mstrum.com/onmywaytokorea/2008/12/29/romanization-learn-the-letters-then-drop-it/ Romanization: Learn the letters then drop it]		* [http://www.mstrum.com/onmywaytokorea/2008/12/29/romanization-learn-the-letters-then-drop-it/ Romanization: Learn the letters then drop it]
	* [http://hanguladay.wordpress.com/category/hangul-characters/ Practical tips on learning Korean]		* [http://hanguladay.wordpress.com/category/hangul-characters/ Practical tips on learning Korean]

Galinaros: /* Word of Caution */

2010-07-04T23:12:42Z

Word of Caution

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	== Word of Caution ==		== Word of Caution ==
	Romanization should be considered something only useful for people who don't know Korean, never want to know, or are learning the [[Hangul\|alphabet]]. Otherwise, it is suggested that you rely 100% on native [[Learn_hangeul\|hangeul]]. Relying on romanization can become a crutch and impede correct pronunciation since Korean sounds ~~don't~~ perfectly correspond to sounds in the Roman alphabet.		Romanization should be considered something only useful for people who don't know Korean, never want to know, or are learning the [[Hangul\|alphabet]]. Otherwise, it is suggested that you rely 100% on native [[Learn_hangeul\|hangeul]]. Relying on romanization can become a crutch and impede correct pronunciation since Korean sounds do not perfectly correspond with sounds in the Roman alphabet.

	==Problems==		==Problems==

Galinaros: /* What and Why? */

2010-07-04T23:11:36Z

What and Why?

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	== What and Why? ==		== What and Why? ==
	Romanization is the representation of [[Learn_hangeul\|hangeul]] using English letters. Many different schemes have been used and standardized.		Romanization is the representation of [[Learn_hangeul\|hangeul]] using English letters. Many different schemes have been used and standardized. Its primary use lies in learning the Hangeul alphabet, although it is common for travel phrasebooks to provide tourists with familiar characters.

	== Word of Caution ==		== Word of Caution ==

Galinaros at 04:31, 3 July 2010

2010-07-03T04:31:00Z

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	==Problems==		==Problems==
	Example of problems with Romanization.		Example of problems with Romanization.
	*The "sh" sound is never Romanized properly. The jamo ㅅ becomes an "sh" sound instead of an /s/ sound when followed by the following vowels: ㅣ, ㅠ, ㅛ, ㅑ, and ㅕ. These cases are ignored in all systems of Korean Romanization. For example, the word 신도림 (the first syllable should be pronounced like shin) is Romanized as 'Sindorim' instead of 'Shindorim.'		*The "sh" sound is never Romanized properly. The [[자모\|jamo]] [[ㅅ]] becomes an "sh" sound instead of an /s/ sound when followed by the following vowels: [[ㅣ]], [[ㅠ]], [[ㅛ]], [[ㅑ]], and [[ㅕ]]. These cases are ignored in all systems of Korean Romanization. For example, the word 신도림 (the first syllable should be pronounced like shin) is Romanized as 'Sindorim' instead of 'Shindorim.'
	<!--- insert a pic of the Romanization-->		<!--- insert a pic of the Romanization-->
	*'''English sounds and Korean sounds are not the same.''' Would it make sense to try to learn English using the Korean alphabet? Especially when there are no F, V, and Z sounds in Korean? Obviously Korean does not contain all the sounds of English, and in the same sense, English does not contain all the sounds of Korean. Therefore the English alphabet cannot accurately represent the sounds of Korean. If one wants to learn English, one should learn the English alphabet and its sounds. Logically, if one wants to learn Korean, one should learn the Korean alphabet and its sounds.		*'''English sounds and Korean sounds are not the same.''' Would it make sense to try to learn English using the Korean alphabet? Especially when there are no F, V, and Z sounds in Korean? Obviously Korean does not contain all the sounds of English, and in the same sense, English does not contain all the sounds of Korean. Therefore the English alphabet cannot accurately represent the sounds of Korean. If one wants to learn English, one should learn the English alphabet and its sounds. Logically, if one wants to learn Korean, one should learn the Korean alphabet and its sounds.

Galinaros: /* Problems */

2010-06-27T22:26:36Z

Problems

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	==Problems==		==Problems==
	Example of problems with ~~romanization~~.		Example of problems with Romanization.
	*The "sh" sound is never ~~romanized~~ properly. The jamo ㅅ becomes an "sh" sound instead of an /s/ sound when followed by the following vowels: ㅣ, ㅠ, ㅛ, ㅑ, and ㅕ. These cases are ignored in all systems of Korean ~~romanization~~. For example 신도림(the first syllable should be pronounced like shin) is ~~romanized~~ as 'Sindorim' instead of 'Shindorim.'		*The "sh" sound is never Romanized properly. The jamo ㅅ becomes an "sh" sound instead of an /s/ sound when followed by the following vowels: ㅣ, ㅠ, ㅛ, ㅑ, and ㅕ. These cases are ignored in all systems of Korean Romanization. For example, the word 신도림 (the first syllable should be pronounced like shin) is Romanized as 'Sindorim' instead of 'Shindorim.'
	<!--- insert a pic of the ~~romanization~~-->		<!--- insert a pic of the Romanization-->
	*'''English sounds and Korean sounds are not the same.''' Would it make sense to try to learn English using the Korean alphabet? Especially when there are no F, V, and Z sounds in Korean? Obviously Korean does not contain all the sounds of English, and in the same sense, English does not contain all the sounds of Korean. Therefore the English alphabet cannot accurately represent the sounds of Korean. If one wants to learn English, one should learn the English alphabet and its sounds. Logically, if one wants to learn Korean, one should learn the Korean alphabet and its sounds.		*'''English sounds and Korean sounds are not the same.''' Would it make sense to try to learn English using the Korean alphabet? Especially when there are no F, V, and Z sounds in Korean? Obviously Korean does not contain all the sounds of English, and in the same sense, English does not contain all the sounds of Korean. Therefore the English alphabet cannot accurately represent the sounds of Korean. If one wants to learn English, one should learn the English alphabet and its sounds. Logically, if one wants to learn Korean, one should learn the Korean alphabet and its sounds.
	*'''Korean Romanization is misleading and ambiguous.'''		*'''Korean Romanization is misleading and ambiguous.'''
	**If one has no experience with Korean at all and uses a book with travel phrases with Romanized Korean, the pronunciation will be totally off. For example, how would you pronounce the Romanized word 'neon' ? Like 'ni-yon' or closer to 'nun'? The pronunciation is closer to 'nun.'		**If one has no experience with Korean at all and uses a book with travel phrases with Romanized Korean, the pronunciation will be totally off. For example, how would you pronounce the Romanized word 'neon' ? Like 'ni-yon' or closer to the English word 'nun'? The pronunciation is closer to 'nun.' (The Hangeul of the aforementioned "neon" is "넌.")
	**There are various Romanization systems and sometimes it is hard to know which system one is using. For example, the gold medal Olympic skater "Kim Yuna" (김연아) is not Romanized in the traditional way, but is instead spelled closer to its English pronunciation. If it were assumed it was from the Revised Romanization System, it would sound like Yoona, not Yuna since yu represents ㅠ not ㅕ.		**There are various Romanization systems and sometimes it is hard to know which system one is using. For example, the gold medal Olympic skater "Kim Yuna" (김연아) is not Romanized in the traditional way, but is instead spelled closer to its English pronunciation. If it were assumed it was from the Revised Romanization System, it would sound like Yoona, not Yuna since yu represents ㅠ not ㅕ.
	**There is no such sound as Woo and impossible to write in Korean, yet sometimes the sound ㅜ gets spelled as Woo.		**There is no such sound as Woo and impossible to write in Korean, yet sometimes the sound ㅜ gets spelled as Woo.
	*more to be added		*more to be added
			*make a note of the official Romanization South Korea uses

	== Resources ==		== Resources ==

DigitalSoju: /* Problems */

2010-06-24T23:57:25Z

Problems

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	*The "sh" sound is never romanized properly. The jamo ㅅ becomes an "sh" sound instead of an /s/ sound when followed by the following vowels: ㅣ, ㅠ, ㅛ, ㅑ, and ㅕ. These cases are ignored in all systems of Korean romanization. For example 신도림(the first syllable should be pronounced like shin) is romanized as 'Sindorim' instead of 'Shindorim.'		*The "sh" sound is never romanized properly. The jamo ㅅ becomes an "sh" sound instead of an /s/ sound when followed by the following vowels: ㅣ, ㅠ, ㅛ, ㅑ, and ㅕ. These cases are ignored in all systems of Korean romanization. For example 신도림(the first syllable should be pronounced like shin) is romanized as 'Sindorim' instead of 'Shindorim.'
	<!--- insert a pic of the romanization-->		<!--- insert a pic of the romanization-->
	*Eo		*'''English sounds and Korean sounds are not the same.''' Would it make sense to try to learn English using the Korean alphabet? Especially when there are no F, V, and Z sounds in Korean? Obviously Korean does not contain all the sounds of English, and in the same sense, English does not contain all the sounds of Korean. Therefore the English alphabet cannot accurately represent the sounds of Korean. If one wants to learn English, one should learn the English alphabet and its sounds. Logically, if one wants to learn Korean, one should learn the Korean alphabet and its sounds.
	*~~우 romanized as woo~~, it is impossible to write ~~woo~~ in ~~the~~ Korean ~~alphabet since~~ the sound ~~doesn't exist~~.		*'''Korean Romanization is misleading and ambiguous.'''
	*~~Double consonants~~		**If one has no experience with Korean at all and uses a book with travel phrases with Romanized Korean, the pronunciation will be totally off. For example, how would you pronounce the Romanized word 'neon' ? Like 'ni-yon' or closer to 'nun'? The pronunciation is closer to 'nun.'
	*tba		**There are various Romanization systems and sometimes it is hard to know which system one is using. For example, the gold medal Olympic skater "Kim Yuna" (김연아) is not Romanized in the traditional way, but is instead spelled closer to its English pronunciation. If it were assumed it was from the Revised Romanization System, it would sound like Yoona, not Yuna since yu represents ㅠ not ㅕ.
			**There is no such sound as Woo and impossible to write in Korean, yet sometimes the sound ㅜ gets spelled as Woo.
			*more to be added

	== Resources ==		== Resources ==

DigitalSoju: /* Problems */

2010-06-24T23:45:09Z

Problems

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	==Problems==		==Problems==
	Example of ~~inaccuracies in pronunciation~~.		Example of problems with romanization.
			*The "sh" sound is never romanized properly. The jamo ㅅ becomes an "sh" sound instead of an /s/ sound when followed by the following vowels: ㅣ, ㅠ, ㅛ, ㅑ, and ㅕ. These cases are ignored in all systems of Korean romanization. For example 신도림(the first syllable should be pronounced like shin) is romanized as 'Sindorim' instead of 'Shindorim.'
	*The "sh" sound ~~( IPA: ʃ )~~ is never romanized properly. The [[jamo]] ㅅ becomes an "sh" sound instead of an /s/ sound when followed by the following vowels: 이, 유, 요, 야, and 여. These cases are ignored in all systems of Korean romanization. For example 신도림(the first syllable should be pronounced like shin) is romanized as 'Sindorim' instead of 'Shindorim.'		<!--- insert a pic of the romanization-->

	*Eo		*Eo
			*우 romanized as woo, it is impossible to write woo in the Korean alphabet since the sound doesn't exist.
			*Double consonants
	*tba		*tba

Mstrum at 05:40, 20 April 2009

2009-04-20T05:40:10Z

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	== Resources ==		== Resources ==

	* [~~http~~:~~//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/~~Korean_romanization Wikipedia on Korean Romanization]		* [[wikipedia:Korean_romanization\|Wikipedia on Korean Romanization]]

	== Opinions ==		== Opinions ==

DigitalSoju at 00:16, 20 March 2009

2009-03-20T00:16:30Z

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	== What and Why? ==		== What and Why? ==
	Romanization is the representation of [[Learn_hangeul\|hangeul]] using English letters. Many different schemes have been used and standardized.		Romanization is the representation of [[Learn_hangeul\|hangeul]] using English letters. Many different schemes have been used and standardized.

	~~== Resources ==~~

	* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_romanization Wikipedia on Korean Romanization]

	== Word of Caution ==		== Word of Caution ==
	Romanization should be considered something only useful for people who don't know Korean, never want to know, or are learning the [[Hangul\|alphabet]]. Otherwise, it is suggested that you rely 100% on native [[Learn_hangeul\|hangeul]]. Relying on romanization can become a crutch and impede correct pronunciation.		Romanization should be considered something only useful for people who don't know Korean, never want to know, or are learning the [[Hangul\|alphabet]]. Otherwise, it is suggested that you rely 100% on native [[Learn_hangeul\|hangeul]]. Relying on romanization can become a crutch and impede correct pronunciation since Korean sounds don't perfectly correspond to sounds in the Roman alphabet.

	==Problems==		==Problems==
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	*tba		*tba

			== Resources ==

			* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_romanization Wikipedia on Korean Romanization]

	== Opinions ==		== Opinions ==

DigitalSoju at 00:09, 20 March 2009

2009-03-20T00:09:49Z

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	== Word of Caution ==		== Word of Caution ==
	Romanization should be considered something only useful for people who don't know Korean, never want to know, or are learning the [[Hangul\|alphabet]]. Otherwise, it is suggested that you rely 100% on native [[Learn_hangeul\|hangeul]]. Relying on romanization can become a crutch and impede correct pronunciation.		Romanization should be considered something only useful for people who don't know Korean, never want to know, or are learning the [[Hangul\|alphabet]]. Otherwise, it is suggested that you rely 100% on native [[Learn_hangeul\|hangeul]]. Relying on romanization can become a crutch and impede correct pronunciation.

			==Problems==
			Example of inaccuracies in pronunciation.

			*The "sh" sound ( IPA: ʃ ) is never romanized properly. The [[jamo]] ㅅ becomes an "sh" sound instead of an /s/ sound when followed by the following vowels: 이, 유, 요, 야, and 여. These cases are ignored in all systems of Korean romanization. For example 신도림(the first syllable should be pronounced like shin) is romanized as 'Sindorim' instead of 'Shindorim.'

			*Eo

			*tba

	== Opinions ==		== Opinions ==